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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Daniel: Welcome to the site. I'm glad you found the site helpful.

@Nils: Finals are killing me. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Daniel: Welcome to the site. I&#8217;m glad you found the site helpful.</p>
<p>@Nils: Finals are killing me. <img src='http://system13.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Nils</title>
		<link>http://system13.org/2007/11/22/happy-turkey-day/#comment-24747</link>
		<dc:creator>Nils</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a problem Josh. Glad you enjoyed yourself. You take care with all that work okay? Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a problem Josh. Glad you enjoyed yourself. You take care with all that work okay? Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: daniel hamilton</title>
		<link>http://system13.org/2007/11/22/happy-turkey-day/#comment-24603</link>
		<dc:creator>daniel hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That web site was quite a find. I wanted the true story and suspected there would be propa-ganda on either side, which was especially true by the latter day historical revisionists. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That web site was quite a find. I wanted the true story and suspected there would be propa-ganda on either side, which was especially true by the latter day historical revisionists. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://system13.org/2007/11/22/happy-turkey-day/#comment-24547</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Nils. Sorry for the delay in responding; the end of the semester is approaching, and I am duly being pounded by catch-up work. :)

I did indeed have a good one. Our family gathering on Saturday was a ton of fun; lots of laughs, lots of good food. There was one negative to it, if you can call it a negative, but I'm going to be quiet about that, because it's going to be a post. 

I understand what you're saying, and I pretty much agree. I'm &lt;em&gt;glad&lt;/em&gt; I have a job; that I'm in school. But thankful? That's iffy. I have a job and I'm in school because I busted my butt to get both. I am, however, generally thankful for things that I like but didn't have any influence over: I don't write books, so I'm thankful that other folks do so I can read them, etc. etc.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Hell, even the French revolutionaries realized the need for annual â€œmarkersâ€ that bring people together&lt;/blockquote&gt;

At least for my family, that's pretty much what Thanksgiving is anymore. We don't sit around and talk about all of the things we're thankful for; we get together, eat good food, and talk / laugh a lot. While I'm sure the generalization wouldn't hold for all American families, I'd say that's what Thanksgiving is to many of them anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Nils. Sorry for the delay in responding; the end of the semester is approaching, and I am duly being pounded by catch-up work. <img src='http://system13.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I did indeed have a good one. Our family gathering on Saturday was a ton of fun; lots of laughs, lots of good food. There was one negative to it, if you can call it a negative, but I&#8217;m going to be quiet about that, because it&#8217;s going to be a post. </p>
<p>I understand what you&#8217;re saying, and I pretty much agree. I&#8217;m <em>glad</em> I have a job; that I&#8217;m in school. But thankful? That&#8217;s iffy. I have a job and I&#8217;m in school because I busted my butt to get both. I am, however, generally thankful for things that I like but didn&#8217;t have any influence over: I don&#8217;t write books, so I&#8217;m thankful that other folks do so I can read them, etc. etc.</p>
<blockquote><p>Hell, even the French revolutionaries realized the need for annual â€œmarkersâ€ that bring people together</p></blockquote>
<p>At least for my family, that&#8217;s pretty much what Thanksgiving is anymore. We don&#8217;t sit around and talk about all of the things we&#8217;re thankful for; we get together, eat good food, and talk / laugh a lot. While I&#8217;m sure the generalization wouldn&#8217;t hold for all American families, I&#8217;d say that&#8217;s what Thanksgiving is to many of them anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Nils</title>
		<link>http://system13.org/2007/11/22/happy-turkey-day/#comment-24191</link>
		<dc:creator>Nils</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope you had a good one, Josh.

I suppose TG is, like many holidays we have here, whether we share them or not, an incentive to think about things - Remembrance Day, Christmas, whatever - even if you don't subscribe to some, or most, of the sentiments expressed, or the traditions that come with them.

Hell, even the French revolutionaries realized the need for annual "markers" that bring people together - for which see: my excellent post I did on the subject once, being a top notch 9ruler and all ;-)

So, for me it's hard to "get" the concept of being thankful for things around me that weren't specifically "given" to me. I can be thankful for a beer or a hug, but for the world I live in...

Mm, let me try and rephrase...

I'm happy I don't live in a shit country where there's floods or bombings or dictators. I thank the people in generations before me who fought and died for that. And I'm happy "to be in a job and in a bed" (Les Miz, not mine).

Still not sure this is convincing enough... I waver. I'll try again.

It's just that I have a hard time being thankful for things that have a lot to do with myself: the job, I worked hard for to convince my boss and to keep at it, the bed I nearly lost at times but I fought hard against adversity and inner demons to keep it (and when I mean bed, I mean the home and the fact that I'm not on the streets -  not the actual mattress)...

Oh, I don't know. Crazy, existentialist European I guess :-)

I get what you mean, though, and I think you're cool for realizing what you have. Let's conclude by simply repeating how I started: hope you had a good one! I mean that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope you had a good one, Josh.</p>
<p>I suppose TG is, like many holidays we have here, whether we share them or not, an incentive to think about things - Remembrance Day, Christmas, whatever - even if you don&#8217;t subscribe to some, or most, of the sentiments expressed, or the traditions that come with them.</p>
<p>Hell, even the French revolutionaries realized the need for annual &#8220;markers&#8221; that bring people together - for which see: my excellent post I did on the subject once, being a top notch 9ruler and all <img src='http://system13.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So, for me it&#8217;s hard to &#8220;get&#8221; the concept of being thankful for things around me that weren&#8217;t specifically &#8220;given&#8221; to me. I can be thankful for a beer or a hug, but for the world I live in&#8230;</p>
<p>Mm, let me try and rephrase&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy I don&#8217;t live in a shit country where there&#8217;s floods or bombings or dictators. I thank the people in generations before me who fought and died for that. And I&#8217;m happy &#8220;to be in a job and in a bed&#8221; (Les Miz, not mine).</p>
<p>Still not sure this is convincing enough&#8230; I waver. I&#8217;ll try again.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just that I have a hard time being thankful for things that have a lot to do with myself: the job, I worked hard for to convince my boss and to keep at it, the bed I nearly lost at times but I fought hard against adversity and inner demons to keep it (and when I mean bed, I mean the home and the fact that I&#8217;m not on the streets -  not the actual mattress)&#8230;</p>
<p>Oh, I don&#8217;t know. Crazy, existentialist European I guess <img src='http://system13.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I get what you mean, though, and I think you&#8217;re cool for realizing what you have. Let&#8217;s conclude by simply repeating how I started: hope you had a good one! I mean that.</p>
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