Comments on: Frodo and Gandalf were of Norse descent http://system13.org/2006/11/09/frodo-and-gandalf-were-of-norse-descent/ Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:12:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Paul Croushore http://system13.org/2006/11/09/frodo-and-gandalf-were-of-norse-descent/#comment-482 Paul Croushore Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:22:12 +0000 http://system13.org/?p=188#comment-482 Sorry, Josh. I see that EBSCOHost is only carry post-1975 articles, and Gale Group now only goes back to 1983. Supposedly the International Terrorism and Counter Terrorism Reference Center is carrying the National Review back to 1955, if you have access to that database. I'd bet a good librarian can find it for you as well... Paul Croushore Sorry, Josh. I see that EBSCOHost is only carry post-1975 articles, and Gale Group now only goes back to 1983. Supposedly the International Terrorism and Counter Terrorism Reference Center is carrying the National Review back to 1955, if you have access to that database. I’d bet a good librarian can find it for you as well…

Paul Croushore

]]> By: Josh http://system13.org/2006/11/09/frodo-and-gandalf-were-of-norse-descent/#comment-481 Josh Fri, 10 Nov 2006 02:02:42 +0000 http://system13.org/?p=188#comment-481 Paul: Thanks for the heads up. I have access to EBSCOHost's databases, but when I checked on this, it shows that they only have archives back to 1975. :( Paul: Thanks for the heads up. I have access to EBSCOHost’s databases, but when I checked on this, it shows that they only have archives back to 1975. :(

]]> By: Paul Croushore http://system13.org/2006/11/09/frodo-and-gandalf-were-of-norse-descent/#comment-477 Paul Croushore Fri, 10 Nov 2006 01:25:35 +0000 http://system13.org/?p=188#comment-477 Professor Tolkien was an Oxford man, but I recall a National Review tribute to him just after he died that mentioned that the hobbits were largely based on what a friend during WWI had told him of life in Kentucky. It took some searching, but I found it on EBSCOHost database. The memorium is by G. Davenport "J. R. R. Tolkien, RIP" Source: National Review; 9/28/1973, Vol. 25 Issue 39, p1042-1043, 2p If you have access you really should read it; this truly was a delightful man. Professor Tolkien was an Oxford man, but I recall a National Review tribute to him just after he died that mentioned that the hobbits were largely based on what a friend during WWI had told him of life in Kentucky. It took some searching, but I found it on EBSCOHost database. The memorium is by G. Davenport “J. R. R. Tolkien, RIP” Source: National Review; 9/28/1973, Vol. 25 Issue 39, p1042-1043, 2p
If you have access you really should read it; this truly was a delightful man.

]]> By: Kristin K. W. http://system13.org/2006/11/09/frodo-and-gandalf-were-of-norse-descent/#comment-480 Kristin K. W. Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:58:44 +0000 http://system13.org/?p=188#comment-480 We have two different translations of 'Baggins' in Norway: Sekker (the old one) which is taken from 'Bag' and then the new one 'Lommelun' which is more of the feeling to 'Baggins', cozy place. We have two different translations of ‘Baggins’ in Norway: Sekker (the old one) which is taken from ‘Bag’ and then the new one ‘Lommelun’ which is more of the feeling to ‘Baggins’, cozy place.

]]> By: Josh http://system13.org/2006/11/09/frodo-and-gandalf-were-of-norse-descent/#comment-479 Josh Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:48:21 +0000 http://system13.org/?p=188#comment-479 Kristin: Thanks for the info about the word. Also, in regards to the translation, I was mostly referring to Bilbo Baggins, which in the German versions of the books, is translated to Bilbo Beutlin. And, speaking of, I just found out why <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilbo_Baggins#Translations" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Apparently his last name has been translated in just about ALL foreign editions of the book. The last name has generally been translated to use a word from the language that means something like 'bag', i.e.: Beutlin is from German Beutel, which means bag. In the Spanish version, he was Bilbo Bolsón, bolso meaning handbag. Neat. :) Kristin: Thanks for the info about the word.

Also, in regards to the translation, I was mostly referring to Bilbo Baggins, which in the German versions of the books, is translated to Bilbo Beutlin.

And, speaking of, I just found out why here. Apparently his last name has been translated in just about ALL foreign editions of the book. The last name has generally been translated to use a word from the language that means something like ‘bag’, i.e.:

Beutlin is from German Beutel, which means bag. In the Spanish version, he was Bilbo Bolsón, bolso meaning handbag.

Neat. :)

]]> By: Pushing those LotR Buttons « Thursday Rants http://system13.org/2006/11/09/frodo-and-gandalf-were-of-norse-descent/#comment-478 Pushing those LotR Buttons « Thursday Rants Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:35:08 +0000 http://system13.org/?p=188#comment-478 [...] Well, sometimes I come over things that push my “LotR buttons”, this time it was Josh’s Frodo and Gandalf were of Norse descent. [...] [...] Well, sometimes I come over things that push my “LotR buttons”, this time it was Josh’s Frodo and Gandalf were of Norse descent. [...]

]]> By: Kristin K. W. http://system13.org/2006/11/09/frodo-and-gandalf-were-of-norse-descent/#comment-476 Kristin K. W. Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:09:08 +0000 http://system13.org/?p=188#comment-476 And; "Gand" may mean spell as well. We (Norwegain) use 'gand' as casting a spell on someone. And; “Gand” may mean spell as well. We (Norwegain) use ‘gand’ as casting a spell on someone.

]]> By: Kristin K. W. http://system13.org/2006/11/09/frodo-and-gandalf-were-of-norse-descent/#comment-475 Kristin K. W. Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:01:38 +0000 http://system13.org/?p=188#comment-475 All names in LotR and the Hobbit are translated because they are made to give specific meanings which would be lost if you didn't translate them. Btw; all the names of the dwarfs in the Hobbit including Gandalv is from an islandic story/ saga about 14 dwarfs. All names in LotR and the Hobbit are translated because they are made to give specific meanings which would be lost if you didn’t translate them.

Btw; all the names of the dwarfs in the Hobbit including Gandalv is from an islandic story/ saga about 14 dwarfs.

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